Friday, August 24, 2012

Print Page Did Jesus Really Exist?

There are some out there that doubt that the Jesus of the Bible really existed. Most people, including atheists, wouldn't deny the existence of Jesus. They would only deny his deity and miracles. The reason for this is that there is a large amount of evidence for his existence, both Christian and secular. In this article I will show extra biblical accounts for Jesus to show that he existed beyond a shadow of a doubt. It doesn’t prove that Jesus is God but it does show that at least the man really existed.

Extra Biblical Accounts of Jesus

Cornelius Tacitus

Cornelius Tacitus was a 1st century Roman historian. In his famous work Annals he makes mention of an executed Jesus who has followers called Christians.

Annals 15:44

"Nero created scapegoats and subjected to the most refined tortures those whom the common people called 'Christians'....Their name comes from Christ, who, during the reign of Tiberius, had been executed by the procurator Pontius Pilate"

Pliny the Younger

Pliny the Younger, also known as Gaius Plinius Caecilius Secundus, was an author, lawyer and natural philosopher of Rome in the 1st century. In one of his letters to the Emperor Trajan he talks extensively about Christians and their worship to Christ.
Letters 10.96-97

It is my practice, my lord, to refer to you all matters concerning which I am in doubt. For who can better give guidance to my hesitation or inform my ignorance? I have never participated in trials of Christians. I therefore do not know what offenses it is the practice to punish or investigate, and to what extent. And I have been not a little hesitant as to whether there should be any distinction on account of age or no difference between the very young and the more mature; whether pardon is to be granted for repentance, or, if a man has once been a Christian, it does him no good to have ceased to be one; whether the name itself, even without offenses, or only the offenses associated with the name are to be punished.

Meanwhile, in the case of those who were denounced to me as Christians, I have observed the following procedure: I interrogated these as to whether they were Christians; those who confessed I interrogated a second and a third time, threatening them with punishment; those who persisted I ordered executed. For I had no doubt that, whatever the nature of their creed, stubbornness and inflexible obstinacy surely deserve to be punished. There were others possessed of the same folly; but because they were Roman citizens, I signed an order for them to be transferred to Rome.

Soon accusations spread, as usually happens, because of the proceedings going on, and several incidents occurred. An anonymous document was published containing the names of many persons. Those who denied that they were or had been Christians, when they invoked the gods in words dictated by me, offered prayer with incense and wine to your image, which I had ordered to be brought for this purpose together with statues of the gods, and moreover cursed Christ--none of which those who are really Christians, it is said, can be forced to do--these I thought should be discharged. Others named by the informer declared that they were Christians, but then denied it, asserting that they had been but had ceased to be, some three years before, others many years, some as much as twenty-five years. They all worshipped your image and the statues of the gods, and cursed Christ.

They asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by oath, not to some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so. When this was over, it was their custom to depart and to assemble again to partake of food--but ordinary and innocent food. Even this, they affirmed, they had ceased to do after my edict by which, in accordance with your instructions, I had forbidden political associations. Accordingly, I judged it all the more necessary to find out what the truth was by torturing two female slaves who were called deaconesses. But I discovered nothing else but depraved, excessive superstition.

I therefore postponed the investigation and hastened to consult you. For the matter seemed to me to warrant consulting you, especially because of the number involved. For many persons of every age, every rank, and also of both sexes are and will be endangered. For the contagion of this superstition has spread not only to the cities but also to the villages and farms. But it seems possible to check and cure it. It is certainly quite clear that the temples, which had been almost deserted, have begun to be frequented, that the established religious rites, long neglected, are being resumed, and that from everywhere sacrificial animals are coming, for which until now very few purchasers could be found. Hence it is easy to imagine what a multitude of people can be reformed if an opportunity for repentance is afforded.

Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus

Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus was a well known Roman historian in the 1st century. Short after the time of Jesus’ trial and crucifixion he wrote the following which is in the Lives of the Caesars.

Lives of the Caesars

“Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus (Jesus Christ), he expelled them from Rome. . .”

Claudius Galenus of Pergamum

Claudius Galenus of Pergamum was a well known Roman physician in the 2nd century. He made several references to Christ in De pulsuum differentiis.

De pulsuum differentiis iii.3 and ii. 4

"One might more easily teach novelties to the followers of Moses and Christ than to the physicians and philosophers who cling fast to their schools."

" order that one should not at the very beginning, as if one had come into the school of Moses and Christ, hear talk of undemonstrated laws, and that where it is least appropriate."

Lucian of Samosata

Lucian of Samosata was a famous 2nd century Roman rhetorician and satirist. In his work The Death of Peregrine he wrote about the Christians who thought the man (Jesus) crucified was God.

The Death of Peregrine, 11-13

“It was now that he came across the priests and scribes of the Christians, in Palestine, and picked up their queer creed. I can tell you, he pretty soon convinced them of his superiority; prophet, elder, ruler of the Synagogue--he was everything at once; expounded their books, commented on them, wrote books himself. They took him for a God, accepted his laws, and declared him their president. The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day,--the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account.”


Celsus was a 2nd century Greek philosopher who was hostile to Christianity. Being hostile gives his writings even more weight for the existence of Jesus. The writings about Christians and Jesus are too numerous to post in this article but here is just one quote from Celsus.

Contra Celsum 1.28

Jesus had come from a village in Judea, and was the son of a poor Jewess who gained her living by the work of her own hands. His mother had been turned out of doors by her husband, who was a carpenter by trade, on being convicted of adultery [with a soldier named Panthéra (i.32)]. Being thus driven away by her husband, and wandering about in disgrace, she gave birth to Jesus, a bastard. Jesus, on account of his poverty, was hired out to go to Egypt. While there he acquired certain (magical) powers which Egyptians pride themselves on possessing. He returned home highly elated at possessing these powers, and on the strength of them gave himself out to be a god.

Mara Bar-Serapion

Mara Bar-Serapion was a prisoner in Syria sometime between the 1st and 3rd century. He makes casual remarks that look to point to Jesus Christ.

Mara Bar-Serapion: Letter from a Near Eastern Jail

What advantage did the Athenians gain from putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as a judgment for their crime. What advantage did the men of Samos gain from burning Pythagoras? In a moment their land was covered with sand. What advantage did the Jews gain from executing their wise King? It was just after that their Kingdom was abolished. God justly avenged these three wise men: the Athenians died of hunger; the Samians were overwhelmed by the sea; the Jews, ruined and driven from their land, live in complete dispersion. But Socrates did not die for good; he lived on in the teaching of Plato. Pythagoras did not die for good; he lived on in the statue of Hera. Nor did the wise King die for good; He lived on in the teaching which He had given


Josephus was a well known 1st century Jewish historian.

Book 20, Chapter 9, Part 1

And now Caesar, upon hearing the death of Festus, sent Albinus into Judea, as procurator. But the king deprived Joseph of the high priesthood, and bestowed the succession to that dignity on the son of Ananus, who was also himself called Ananus. Now the report goes that this eldest Ananus proved a most fortunate man; for he had five sons who had all performed the office of a high priest to God, and who had himself enjoyed that dignity a long time formerly, which had never happened to any other of our high priests. But this younger Ananus, who, as we have told you already, took the high priesthood, was a bold man in his temper, and very insolent; he was also of the sect of the Sadducees, who are very rigid in judging offenders, above all the rest of the Jews, as we have already observed; when, therefore, Ananus was of this disposition, he thought he had now a proper opportunity [to exercise his authority]. Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done; they also sent to the king [Agrippa], desiring him to send to Ananus that he should act so no more, for that what he had already done was not to be justified; nay, some of them went also to meet Albinus, as he was upon his journey from Alexandria, and informed him that it was not lawful for Ananus to assemble a sanhedrim without his consent. Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest

Book 18, Chapter 3, Part 3 *

Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.

*Some claim that this part of Josephus’s book was altered to give evidence for Jesus. There is evidence against this though. Eusebius of Caesarea, quoted this section in the early 4 century in Ecclesiastical History, 1:XI. So this is very close to the original time of writing giving little chance for the text to be corrupted. Scholars such as F.F. Bruce and Daniel Rops have also show that this part of the text is written in the same style as the rest. Finally an Arabic edition of Josephus works which would have been around the time of the original show this texts concerning Jesus but don’t show Jesus being the Messiah. In 1972 Professor Schlomo Pines was quote by times reading the Arabic version. "At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good and he was known to be virtuous. And many people among the Jews and other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the Messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders".


The Talmud is a Jewish holy book written between 70 A.D. – 200 A.D. In Sanhedrin 43a these non Christians give a stunning account of history that backs up what the Bible has to say about the times of Jesus.

Sanhedrin 43a

There is a tradition (in a Barraitha): They hanged Yeshu on the Sabbath of the Passover. But for forty days before that a herald went in front of him (crying), "Yeshu is to be stoned because he practiced sorcery and seduced Israel and lead them away from God. Anyone who can provide evidence on his behalf should come forward to defend him." When, however, nothing favorable about him was found, he was hanged on the Sabbath of the Passover.

The Bible

The Bible is often too quickly overlooked as a historical source to prove the existence of Jesus. We have some text from the New Testament that was written in the 1st century so we can be assured that what is written is accurate. The Bible not only tells us of the countless encounters Jesus had with people before his crucifixion but also the encounters hundreds of people had with him after he rose from the dead. Some of these peoplewere still alive and could testify to this fact.

1 Corinthians 15:4-6 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep.


So in conclusion we can see why even so many non-Christians believe that Jesus was a real person. The big question then becomes, who was/is he? Was he just another man or is he your living God and Saviour?

Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Print Page Christian Fundamentalism = Muslim Fundamentalist?

"Muslim fundamentalism, Christian fundamentalism, Jewish fundamentalism, secular fundamentalism - they're all motivated by fear. Fear of each other." (Philadelphia Inquirer, The purpose-driven pastor, Paul Nussbaum, Jan. 08, 2006)

That is a quote from Rick Warren. He, like many other liberal pastors and secular media, often group fundamental Christians and Muslims together. As will be shown there is no comparison between the two other than they both take their faith serious. I know of no fundamental Christian motivated by fear. Instead we are motivated by the Bible. The same probably goes for Muslim fundamentalists. They are not motivated by fear but by the words of the Koran.

We shouldn't be surprised when Muslims kill the "pagans". It is something they are commanded to do.
Surah 9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Surah 2:190-193 Fight in the cause of God, those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out: For tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they first fight you there; But if they fight you, Slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression."
Muslims are told not to be allies with Jews and Christians.
Surah 5:51 O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.
In contrast the Christian Fundamentalist looks to verses such as these:
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Luke 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
So Christian Fundamentalists love their enemies and because they love their enemies they share the gospel with them in hopes to see them saved from the path to the lake of fire.

It is common to see the Muslims mistreat women. The have good reason for this, because they take the Koran seriously.
Surah 4:34 Men are overseers over women, by reason of that wherewith Allah hath made one of them excel over another, and by reason of that which they expend of their substance. Wherefore righteous women are obedient, and are watchers in husbands absence by the aid and protection of Allah. And those wives whose refractoriness ye fear, exhort them, and avoid them in beds, and beat them; but if they obey you, seek not a way against them; verily Allah is ever Lofty, Grand.
 The Bible does teach different roles for women and men but instead of beating our wives we are to love them as Christ loved the church.
Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

As shown there is a stark contrast between Muslim and Christian fundamentalism. Those that say the 2 are the same are either ignorant or are lying.

Thursday, August 9, 2012

Print Page Are Baptists Protestants?

Are the Baptist Protestants? That is often the claim but that view wasn't so common a century ago. I hope to show you that Baptists are not Protestants. They have been around since the time Jesus started the first church when he called his first disciples. They didn't always go by the name of Baptist. In fact that name was given by our enemies. God made this promise:
Ephesians 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
This isn't some cult like view started by Dr. J.M. Carroll in his talks recorded in The Trail of Blood in 1931. Charles Spurgeon at a public meeting at the Metropolitan Tabernacle on Tuesday April 2, 1861 said this:
We believe that the Baptists are the original Christians. We did not commence our existence at the Reformation, we were Reformers before Luther or Calvin were born; we never came from the Church of Rome, for we were never in it. We have an unbroken line up to the Apostles themselves! We have always existed from the very days of Christ, and our principles, sometimes veiled and forgotten like a river which may travel underground for a little season, have always had honest and holy adherents. Persecuted alike by Romanists and Protestants of almost every sect, yet there has never existed a Government holding Baptist principles which persecuted others; nor, I believe, any body of Baptists ever held it to be right to put the consciences of others under the control of man. We have ever been ready to suffer as our martyrologies will prove, but we are not ready to accept any help from the State to prostitute the purity of the Bride of Christ to any alliance with Government! And we will never make the Church, although the Queen, the despot over the consciences of men.
Later, Charles Spurgeon in the Sword and the Trowel in August 1868 stated:
All who know much of the Baptist denomination must have regretted that so few are acquainted with its early history. We are not surprised that those who do not admit the scripturalness of our principles should be thus ignorant; nor can we be surprised that those who have superciliously looked upon our comparative feebleness should have put us down as of latter-day growth; but it remains a matter of great surprise that our own congregations should be, for the most part, uninstructed in the past doings of our body. We certainly can boast of godly defenders of the faith, of noble men persecuted and contemned, who have sacrificed position, wealth, and life, for the truth: we can tell of able preachers and learned divines, and we can rejoice in the spirit of enterprise and heroism which has existed among Baptists of all ages. Why therefore should there be so much ignorance abroad as to the ecclesiastical history of the denomination? Why should so few know anything, and so many care nothing for the early Baptists, when their history is beyond measure instructive and interesting?
Spurgeon couldn't be clearer where he stood on the issue. Spurgeon is often quoted in Baptists pulpits but you never hear about his view on Baptist perpetuity. The problem is with modern day historians that have twisted history along with people like Albert Mohler. They want to claim Baptists are Protestants even though it was the Protestants that persecuted the Baptists! The Southern Baptist theologians took a different stance years ago. Look at this quote from William Williams, D.D. Professor of Church History in the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary on September 5, 1876.

I now hasten to reply that it is not the teaching of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, through its Professor of History, that the origin of Baptists is to be traced to the Church of Rome in the sixteenth century. … The Baptist churches, in my opinion, are of divine origin, and originated in the first century under the preaching and founding of the Apostles of our Lord.

Many Baptist Historians from just a century ago held the same view as Spurgeon and Williams. Here is just a small number of the examples.

But the more I study the subject, the stronger are my convictions, that if all the facts in the case could be disclosed, a very good Succession could be made out. A General History of the Baptist Denomination in America and Other Parts of the World David Benedict 1849

A Concise History of Baptists From the Time of Christ Their Founder to the 18th Century G. H. Orchard 1855

All well-informed Baptists are agreed in the belief that we, as a people, have continued from the time of Christ until the present. Baptist Succession: Handbook of Baptist History D. B. Ray 1871

All that Baptists mean by church “Succession,” or Church Perpetuity, is: There has never been a day since the organization of the first New Testament church in which there was no genuine church of the New Testament existing on earth. Baptist Church Perpetuity W.A. Jarrel 1894

I have no question in my own mind that there has been a historical succession of Baptists from the days of Christ to the present time. A History of the Baptists Volume 1 pg 5-6  John T. Christian 1922

You may wonder who these Baptists were before the Reformation. They went by various names, names given by their enemies. Often their works were burned and most of what we know is from their enemies. Because of these claims by their enemies need to be taken with a grain of salt. Here is just a brief list of some of the groups that may have been Baptist in doctrine and practice.

Montanists 150 AD

Location: Asia Minor

We have now found, by the glimmering and oftshaded lamp of history, relumed by Pedobaptist scholars, that, previous to Tertullian and the Montenses schism,

I. None but believers were baptized.

II. Baptism was immersion, and

III. Each Church was an independent little republic, knowing nothing of ecclesiastical conferences, synods, general assemblies, or authoritative councils, and, consequently,

IV. They were all Baptist Churches then.

For, if the baptism of none but professedly converted believers, and that by immersion, with independent and democratic church government, constitute Baptist churches, then the primitive churches were Baptist Churches. Origin of the Baptists S.H. Ford 1905
That the Montanist churches were Baptist churches is the only legitimate conclusion from their comparison with the facts in this chapter. Baptist Church Perpetuity W.A. Jarrel 1894

Novations 150 AD

Locations: Armenia, Numedia, Spain, Phrygeia, Constantinople, Alexandria, Carthage and Rome

Without adding other testimonies, suffice it to conclude this chapter with J.M. Cramp, D.D., whom Dr. Armitage pronounces, “A sound theologian and thoroughly versed in ecclesiastical history.”

“We may safely infer that they abstained from compliance with the innovation, and that the Novatian churches were what are now called Baptist churches, adhering to the apostolic and primitive practice.” Baptist Church Perpetuity W.A. Jarrel 1894
They were Baptists. The Minuteness, made up of Novatians and Donatists, and called Eucharites, Messalians, Melchedecians, Anabaptists, were the true churches of Jesus Christ, which have witnessed in every age against corruption, innovation, Jewish rites, and clerical rule. Origin of the Baptists S.H. Ford 1905

Donatists 305 AD

Location: North Africa

We may, therefore, having examined the only charges on which the Donatists are called in question as Baptists, conclude the examination as proving, beyond any reasonable doubt, that, in all essential respects, the Donatists were genuine Baptist churches. Baptist Church Perpetuity W.A. Jarrel 1894
the Donatists were watched by the Shepherd of Israel, preserved by an unseen but almighty hand; and continued, like the bush amid the fires of persecution, unconsumed, undismayed, the true, independent, spiritual churches of Jesus Christ, composed of baptized believers. They were Baptists. Origin of the Baptists S.H. Ford 1905
They were Baptists. The Minuteness, made up of Novatians and Donatists, and called Eucharites, Messalians, Melchedecians, Anabaptists, were the true churches of Jesus Christ, which have witnessed in every age against corruption, innovation, Jewish rites, and clerical rule. Origin of the Baptists S.H. Ford 1905

Paulicians 650 AD

Location: Armenia 

I, therefore, conclude this examination of the Paulicians in the language of perhaps the highest authority on the subject — Brockett — “The Armenian Paulicianists were clearly Baptists.” Baptist Church Perpetuity W.A. Jarrel 1894 
We have seen that the Paulicians were Baptists. Origin of the Baptists S.H. Ford 1905 

Albigenses 700 AD

Location: Eastern Europe
This was so much the case that the Romish church, not seeing any church in so simple an organization, thought they had no churches, and Prof. Schmidt has, thereby, been mislead into the same conclusion. In Chap. XI — noticing them as Paulicians — they are clearly proved to have been, in church government, Baptist. Baptist Church Perpetuity W.A. Jarrel 1894

Waldenses 1120 AD

Locations: Italy, France, Germany and South America.

But I am willing to close this chapter with the statement, that the Waldenses were, certainly, as a whole, Baptists. Baptist Church Perpetuity W.A. Jarrel 1894
The main question at issue between our historians is, whether the Waldenses were Pedo-baptists or Baptists. The editors of Peyran and Perrin affirm that they baptized infants: this Mr. Jones denies, and maintains that they were Baptists. The History of the Christian Church Volumn 1 William Jones 1849

Waldenses Confession of 1120

1. We believe and firmly maintain all that is contained in the twelve articles of the symbol, commonly called the apostles' creed, and we regard as heretical whatever is inconsistent with the said twelve articles.

2. We believe that there is one God - the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

3. We acknowledge for sacred canonical scriptures the books of the Holy Bible. (Here follows the title of each, exactly conformable to our received canon, but which it is deemed, on that account, quite unnecessary to particularize.)

4. The books above-mentioned teach us: That there is one GOD, almighty, unbounded in wisdom, and infinite in goodness, and who, in His goodness, has made all things. For He created Adam after His own image and likeness. But through the enmity of the Devil, and his own disobedience, Adam fell, sin entered into the world, and we became transgressors in and by Adam.

5. That Christ had been promised to the fathers who received the law, to the end that, knowing their sin by the law, and their unrighteousness and insufficiency, they might desire the coming of Christ to make satisfaction for their sins, and to accomplish the law by Himself.

6. That at the time appointed of the Father, Christ was born - a time when iniquity everywhere abounded, to make it manifest that it was not for the sake of any good in ourselves, for all were sinners, but that He, who is true, might display His grace and mercy towards us.

7. That Christ is our life, and truth, and peace, and righteousness - our shepherd and advocate, our sacrifice and priest, who died for the salvation of all who should believe, and rose again for their justification.

8. And we also firmly believe, that there is no other mediator, or advocate with God the Father, but Jesus Christ. And as to the Virgin Mary, she was holy, humble, and full of grace; and this we also believe concerning all other saints, namely, that they are waiting in heaven for the resurrection of their bodies at the day of judgment.

9. We also believe, that, after this life, there are but two places - one for those that are saved, the other for the damned, which [two] we call paradise and hell, wholly denying that imaginary purgatory of Antichrist, invented in opposition to the truth.

10. Moreover, we have ever regarded all the inventions of men [in the affairs of religion] as an unspeakable abomination before God; such as the festival days and vigils of saints, and what is called holy-water, the abstaining from flesh on certain days, and such like things, but above all, the masses.

11. We hold in abhorrence all human inventions, as proceeding from Antichrist, which produce distress (Alluding probably to the voluntary penances and mortification imposed by the Catholics on themselves), and are prejudicial to the liberty of the mind.

12 We consider the Sacraments as signs of holy things, or as the visible emblems of invisible blessings. We regard it as proper and even necessary that believers use these symbols or visible forms when it can be done. Notwithstanding which, we maintain that believers may be saved without these signs, when they have neither place nor opportunity of observing them.

13. We acknowledge no sacraments [as of divine appointment] but baptism and the Lord's supper. 
14. We honour the secular powers, with subjection, obedience, promptitude, and payment.

Waldenses Confession of 1544

1. We believe that there is but one God, who is a Spirit - the Creator of all things - the Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in us all; who is to be worshipped in spirit and in truth - upon whom we are continually dependent, and to whom we ascribe praise for our life, food, raiment, health, sickness, prosperity, and adversity. We love him as the source of all goodness; and reverence him as that sublime being, who searches the reins and trieth the hearts of the children of men.

2. We believe that Jesus Christ is the Son and image of the Father - that in Him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells, and that by Him alone we know the Father. He is our Mediator and advocate; nor is there any other name given under heaven by which we can be saved. In His name alone we call upon the Father, using no other prayers than those contained in the Holy Scriptures, or such as are in substance agreeable thereunto.

3. We believe in the Holy Spirit as the Comforter, proceeding from the Father, and from the Son; by whose inspiration we are taught to pray; being by Him renewed in the spirit of our minds; who creates us anew unto good works, and from whom we receive the knowledge of the truth.

4. We believe that there is one holy church, comprising the whole assembly of the elect and faithful, that have existed from the beginning of the world, or that shall be to the end thereof. Of this church the Lord Jesus Christ is the head - it is governed by His word and guided by the Holy Spirit. In the church it behooves all Christians to have fellowship. For her He [Christ] prays incessantly, and His prayer for it is most acceptable to God, without which indeed their could be no salvation.

5. We hold that the ministers of the church ought to be unblameable both in life and doctrine; and if found otherwise, that they ought to be deposed from their office, and others substituted in their stead; and that no person ought to presume to take that honour unto himself but he who is called of God as was Aaron - that the duties of such are to feed the flock of God, not for filthy lucre's sake, or as having dominion over God's heritage, but as being examples to the flock, in word, in conversation, in charity, in faith, and in chastity.

6. We acknowledge, that kings, princes, and governors, are the appointed and established ministers of God, whom we are bound to obey [in all lawful and civil concerns]. For they bear the sword for the defence of the innocent, and the punishment of evil doers; for which reason we are bound to honour and pay them tribute. From this power and authority, no man can exempt himself as is manifest from the example of the Lord Jesus Christ, who voluntarily paid tribute, not taking upon himself any jurisdiction of temporal power.

7. We believe that in the ordinance of baptism the water is the visible and external sign, which represents to as that which, by virtue of God's invisible operation, is within us - namely, the renovation of our minds, and the mortification of our members through [the faith of] Jesus Christ. And by this ordinance we are received into the holy congregation of God's people, previously professing and declaring our faith and change of life.

8. We hold that the Lord's supper is a commemoration of, and thanksgiving for, the benefits which we have received by His sufferings and death - and that it is to be received in faith and love - examining ourselves, that so we may eat of that bread and drink of that cup, as it is written in the Holy Scriptures.

9. We maintain that marriage was instituted of God. That it is holy and honourable, and ought to be forbidded to none, provided there be no obstacle from the divine word.

10. We contend, that all those in whom the fear of God dwells, will thereby be led to please him, and to abound in the good works [of the gospel] which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them - which are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, sobriety, and the other good works enforced in the Holy Scriptures.

11. On the other hand, we confess that we consider it to be our duty to beware of false teachers, whose object is to divert the minds of men from the true worship of God, and to lead them to place their confidence in the creature, as well as to depart from the good works of the gospel, and to regard the inventions of men.

12. We take the Old and the New Testament for the rule of our life, and we agree with the general confession of faith contained in [what is usually termed] the apostles' creed.

I encourage you to read some of the Baptist historians quoted here. Most of the works are now public domain and available free on the internet. Baptists have always existed under various names. We never needed to protest any group. The Roman Catholics taught a false gospel for over a 1,000 years before the reformation. During that time there were still groups faithful to the Bible and the gospel. The gospel didn't have to be rediscovered as Albert Mohler has claimed on national radio. Believers Baptism has taken place from the time of Jesus to now. Rejoice in our Baptist heritage and educate yourself with our rich history.